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| james |
Jan 31 2008, 08:22 AM
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Dragging up the past a bit - TV show Mythbusters ran it's much anticipated episode with a practical experiment version of this question on it a couple of nights ago over in the US.
I don't know when it will come on over here but for the curious Kottke liveblogged it and also links to another good explanation from a guy with a Sc.D. in Nuclear Science and Engineering (whatever that is). And for the hard of attention and understanding - yes of course it takes off. -------------------- "We are number one, all others are number two or lower!" - The Sphinx, Mystery Men
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| Jeffers |
Feb 25 2008, 10:20 AM
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Brando, Brando, Brando......
If you strapped a rocket to my arse when I was running on a treadmill and fired it up, it wouldn't matter if I were Linford Christie on Speed, I would be propelled forwards and out through the walls of the gym. If you nailed some wings to my shoulders, then I would probably be able to make some sort of attempt at flight. There is no way the treadmill can stop the plane moving forward and gaining lift as the wheels are free spinning and reduce the opposing force needed to act against the thrust of the engines. The force supposedly generated by the treadmill. If you took the wheels off the plane and just sat it on the treadmill and the friction generated by the treadmill was equal and opposite to the thrust generated by the engines, then the plane would just sit there burning jet fuel. It would take off but not as some people imagine. i.e... Just stationary and then magically lifting of the ground. Jeff This post has been edited by Jeffers: Feb 25 2008, 10:21 AM |
| paul |
Feb 25 2008, 10:53 AM
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If you strapped a rocket to my arse when I was running on a treadmill and fired it up, it wouldn't matter if I were Linford Christie on Speed, I would be propelled forwards and out through the walls of the gym. If you nailed some wings to my shoulders, then I would probably be able to make some sort of attempt at flight. Jeff You would also be a rich man cos I'd pay to see it -------------------- Of course I'm arrogant...The best always are!
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James Plane on a conveyor revisited Jan 31 2008, 08:22 AM
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jamie I just want to publicly state at this point
I st... Feb 22 2008, 10:19 AM
James
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jamie no, I can see how you are thinking.. Its just if t... Feb 29 2008, 03:16 PM
Jeffers Your wrong
no, I can see how you are thinking.. ... Feb 29 2008, 05:23 PM
paul no, I can see how you are thinking.. Its just if ... Feb 29 2008, 09:08 PM
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jamie dont get me wrong, that makes sense. But there is ... Mar 2 2008, 06:15 PM
Emily the engine is pulling the plane through the air - ... Mar 2 2008, 10:22 PM
Jeffers Emily is correct.
:tongue:
the engine is pull... Mar 3 2008, 12:24 PM
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Egg Designer
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jamie Exactly! Couldnt find a way of phrasing it.
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Emily I think this has got to the point where without se... Mar 3 2008, 09:33 PM
camsmith Jamie, I think you are forgetting one simple thing... Mar 3 2008, 10:24 PM
jamie if the plane was floating i would agree.
There i... Mar 4 2008, 05:34 PM
camsmith If you want to take that line, then there is a sim... Mar 5 2008, 04:35 AM
jamie Ok, lets revisit the rope scenario
In a relevant ... Mar 5 2008, 05:59 PM
Jeffers Your wrong
Accept it and move on with your life.
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Emily I sorry I can't wait - Jamie you've missed... Mar 6 2008, 08:08 PM
paul Did anyone see the Motor racing? Mar 7 2008, 06:08 PM
jamie With or without the wheels the result would be the... Mar 8 2008, 03:05 PM
Egg Designer The rope theory is not relevant in this argument a... Mar 12 2008, 12:11 PM
Jeffers The plane will only take off if there is airflow o... Mar 13 2008, 10:20 AM
jamie
Your wrong
Accept it and move on with your life.... Mar 13 2008, 01:13 PM
Jeffers Thats impossible.
Your wrong
Accept it and mov... Mar 14 2008, 04:25 PM
Egg Designer OK, does that mean we are all in agreement now the... Mar 13 2008, 03:06 PM
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Jeffers
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